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How I Reversed My Daughter’s Tooth Decay

on May 13 | in Health | by | with 161 Comments

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I Felt The Sting . . .

Every time she smiled at a stranger and they looked at me wonderingly. I wanted to explain that I wasn’t negligent . . . that my daughter had never even had a processed food, but truth is I agreed with their disapproving looks. How could I let this happen and not do anything about it?

I’m talking, of course, about my daughter’s tooth decay. Though I’ve told this story in bits and pieces, somehow I’ve never put it together in a way that shares our journey from beginning to end. Today I’m going to do just that, so let’s get started!

How My Toddler Developed Tooth Decay While Eating A Weston A. Price Diet

The connection between nutrient-dense diets and resistance to cavities has been well-established, which is one of the many reasons I ate a very traditional diet throughout pregnancy and breastfeeding: raw milk, lots of butter, pastured and organic meats, local eggs and organic produce. I hadn’t braved organ meats at that point, but I did take them in supplement form.

Despite all this, my daughter’s teeth started crumbling when she was 19 months old. One day I laid her down to change her diaper and realized part of her front tooth was missing. It was there when I dressed her that morning, and then it just . . . wasn’t. There was no fall, no trauma. I’d been with her the whole morning. The next day a friend who is a dentist examined her and said her front teeth were just incredibly weak.

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As you can see in the photo, her right tooth is missing at the tip

Looking back I attribute her weak teeth to two main causes. First, she had an undiagnosed lip tie, which is a condition that has become increasingly common over the past few generations. When a lip tie – also known as a maxillary frenum attachment – is present the mouth has trouble clearing milk away from the top four teeth. In Katie it caused the breast fed version of what is commonly called “bottle rot.”

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Photo courtesy of Dr. Kotlow

Research has shown that cocaine exposure increases the incidence of tongue ties (ankyloglossia), which is not a factor in my case. However, the fact that some chemicals have already been studied and linked to this defect makes me wonder which ones might that haven’t been studied. I’ve been making my own beauty and cleaning products for years, but before that I used a slew of toxic chemicals. I sometimes wonder if the two things might be related.

For those who are wondering whether their little one might be tongue/lip tied, here’s a post on how to diagnose at home and/or get free advice from the top U.S. expert on tongue and lip ties.

The second factor that I think played a role is inadequate vitamins A, D & K. Though we were eating a traditional diet, I still wasn’t fully sold on fermented cod liver oil. From what I’d heard it wasn’t an adequate source of omega-3′s. I’ve since changed my mind, but back then my fridge was stocked with several fish oils that supposedly had different benefits. Knowing what I know now I would have exclusively given her fermented cod liver oil, which I believe might have helped to slow or completely halt the decay. In addition, we were already consuming a lot of organic butter, but it wasn’t necessarily always pastured, which means it was unlikely to contain substantial amounts of Vitamin K.

UPDATE: I remembered a third factor that I believe played a role. One of the most difficult things I experienced during my pregnancy with Katie was that my first trimester occurred during one of the most rainy seasons on record. I deeply craved sunlight during those first few months, which I believe was related to a need for more vitamin D. It was a miserable time, and it had long lasting effects. Katie’s baby teeth, which formed around the second month in utero, were very weak and porous. Fortunately, her adult teeth formed around 20 weeks after I had plenty of sunshine.

The Plan

cure for cavitiesAs soon as Katie’s tooth broke I ordered Ramiel Nagel’s book, Cure Tooth Decay. This book is a MUST READ for anyone interested in reversing tooth decay naturally. Though as I mentioned earlier we were already eating a 99.99% traditional diet, I did implement several changes after reading the book:

  • No grains (she was 19 months old and had only had sourdough and oatmeal in small amounts, but we cut these out)
  • Limited fruit and honey (even more than usual)
  • Fermented cod liver oil (for vitamins A&D) plus high vitamin butter oil (for vitamin K) every day. Also pastured butter as often as I could get it
  • lots of shellfish for minerals (bone broth, too, but it wasn’t as well-received)
  • foods rich in phosphorous
  • silica (I didn’t know about it back then, but if was going to choose a brand now I’d go with this ionic silica because it’s highly bioavailable and the only other ingredient is purified water)

When Katie was 30 months old, I kissed toothpaste goodbye and started brushing her teeth with Dr. Christopher’s Herbal Tooth & Gum Powder. We went through one container and then I transitioned her to tooth soap. (We now use a homemade tooth powder from my DIY Beauty ebook that we think tastes much better and leaves my mouth feeling the cleanest it ever has.)

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Unfortunately, As You Can See . . .

Her incisors became very porous and brown over time. If you’re looking closely you might also notice her front tooth appears to have partially grown back. I’ll explain that later on in the story.

Exactly one year after I wrote the post about kissing toothpaste goodbye I took Katie to a holistic dentist to discuss filling options. Her teeth were so incredibly brown, and I was worried that if the decay went to the root it would harm her adult teeth.

To say I was confused is a massive understatement. Katie had a broad, wide palate and vibrant health in every way. She’d never had an ear infection or taken medications of any kind, so why were her front teeth turning to chalk? I had no idea what I’d done wrong, but it was devastating to watch.

Here’s an excerpt from a post I wrote about that day:

Katie signs in her babydoll and ‘fills-out’ some insurance forms. I make a mental note that my bank deposit receipt is now doubling as a medical record for baby Alex, but just can’t stop gaping at the copy of Cure Tooth Decay front and center on the bookshelf, followed by the Cancer Is Curable Now DVD and Homeopathic Medicine at Home.

Mental calculations on the likelihood that we’ve been sucked into a parallel universe with better healthcare are almost complete when Dr. Petre walks in. She takes a look in Katie’s mouth and gives me the grim assessment, ‘We can fill them or I can try to save as much as I can until they fall out,’ she says, then leans back in to probe a little. Shock floods her face for a moment and she smiles at me. ‘These teeth are completely hard! How is this possible??’

‘Well, I’ve been using that Cure Tooth Decay protocol in your waiting room for a couple of years.’

‘This is what we preach day after day but almost no one actually does it! You are a good mama!’ ***Blush***

Understanding the words coming out of her mouth feels like solving quadratic equations while birthing a baby. They look so decayed and crumbly, but Dr. Petre tells me that Katie’s teeth are healthy and strong. A stained, crusty layer of decay is all that’s left of her “weak” teeth, and in just 15 minutes she’s polished most of it off.”

Here she on Easter, just a couple months before I took her to the dentist.

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And here she is on the day we got home from our appointment. She’s wearing the same dress because **someone** was so excited to document her new smile that they put her in their favorite dress.

Dr. Petre wasn’t able to get the stains off completely because the vibration from the buffer made Katie nervous, but you can see that her front teeth are even, and unlike the photo taken at 19 months the right tooth extends below the tooth directly next to it.

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In just a couple of months it will be two years since that appointment, and I’m happy to say she’s still cavity free! 

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Update

After writing this post I discovered that Katie had a cavity! I beat myself up about it for awhile – after all the progress we made I felt like I missed something that would have completed her healing. I’m currently working with a Nutritional Therapy Practitioner to assess whether Katie has a certain vitamin/mineral deficiency I am not aware of. Sometimes we do the best we can and things don’t turn out the way we expect. Personally, I feel that the diet was still worth it for the healing we did see, but I wanted to share this update while we figure things out.

Recommended Resources

If you’re looking for info on remineralizing teeth, Cure Tooth Decay is pretty much THE BOOK on the subject. I highly recommend it.

cure-for-cavities-8Also the Heal Thy Mouth Summit - a downloadable package featuring 21 video presentations from holistic dental experts, authors, and documentary makers –  has great info, including;

  • What to put on a child’s teeth if they have baby tooth decay to slow it down (or even stop it) while you work on diet.
  • How to determine if  certain foods we eat are irritating our immune system or compatible with our body, and why this matters
  • New dental protocols that can help remineralize teeth
  • If needed, how to determine whether a dental filling material is compatible with your unique body chemistry.

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161 Responses to How I Reversed My Daughter’s Tooth Decay

  1. Elaine P. says:

    Hi Mommypotamus! Let me first say that I LOVE YOUR BLOG!!! Thank you for leading me to the light! My 5 yr old has 2 cavities in her molars and so I have gotten her the Green Pastures Butter Oil / Fermented Cod Liver Oil Blend. Since we don’t yet get grass fed butter/milk/meats yet (I’m working on getting those into our diet) I figured it would be best to get the blend instead of just the FCLO. I’m also giving it to my 3 yr old and 1 yr old.
    How long do you think it will take to see some improvement on my daughter’s cavities? I am ordering some tooth soap this week! Also, I’m giving her 1/2 tsp of the butter oil/FCLO blend daily. Do you think I should give her more since she does have cavities already?

    • Heather says:

      Hi Elaine! The Weston A. Price Foundation recommends 1/2 teaspoon of fermented cod liver oil daily for children. I’m not sure if the blend is a 50/50 ratio or not, but if it was I personally would give my kids 1 teaspoon to make sure they were getting the amount recommended by WAPF. Green Pastures can tell you what the ratio is, I’m sure! Regarding how long things may take, I can’t really say both from a legal standpoint (because I am not a medical professional) and also because I simply don’t know! It would be my guess that everyone responds to Nagel’s protocol in a slightly different way :)

    • holly says:

      How much ionic silica did you give to your daughter.> Thanks so much for your time and response..

  2. Nikki says:

    I took FCLO throughout pregnancy and am now taking it while I’m breastfeeding. I always tried to eat lots of grass fed dairy and especially butter while I was pregnant, but I found out just a few weeks after my son was born that he can’t do dairy. I’ve thought of trying ghee but its so expensive I don’t want it to go to waste if it causes a reaction. Any other tips on getting a good balance of FCLO and the other vitamins that are in butter?

  3. Rachael says:

    I wish this was something my mother knew when I was little. Instead, I had over 14 fillings, one tooth removed, and now I’m in the process of REPLACING all of those fillings since they were so old. I even had one tooth break in half recently, but it doesn’t hurt so…I’m trying to heal it naturally instead of doling out insane amounts of cash to get a filling.

    Perhaps I should add FCLO, FINALLY, into my daily regimen and not just for my overall health. My teeth have been a weak point for me my entire life, and I’m so very sick of it!

    Thank you for this post, and thank you for being an awesome mom!

  4. Hateesha says:

    Hello, Thank you for posting. I am currently reading that book. I have sooo many cavities (Dentist is shocked) and we eat a relatively whole food diet. I don’t think we even have access to grass fed butter but I hope to find out.
    1. Is there an easy step 1-5 (for ex.) that a person can take ( I have such limited time with three kids under 4 to watch and read).
    2. How do you get your kids to take cod liver oil (my husband is traumatized from having cod liver oil shoved down this throat as a child to this day he HATES sea food).
    3. Also how do you introduce phosphorus foods into your diet (what food have phosphorus?

    Thanks again for posting

    • Lorie says:

      Hateesha- go on realmilk.comn and search your state, if they only sell raw milk you can make your own butter from it.

    • Heather says:

      Hi Hateesha, I think the changes a family needs to make depends on their current eating habits. That’s why the book is so helpful – it can help to pinpoint “holes” in the diet where not enough nutrients are being obtained.

      I think I started out by offering Katie something she wanted in exchange for taking her fermented cod liver oil – like raisins or dried mango. I think I started out by offering Katie something she wanted in exchange for taking her fermented cod liver oil – like raisins or dried mango. We didn’t cut out fruit entirely, we just limited it. Now they take it without any rewards and say “thank you” to boot!

      Regarding phosphorous, I can’t recall all the sources he listed. The main one I depended on was bone broth. :)

  5. Kristina says:

    Does anyone have experience with healing tooth decay in a food-allergic child? My daughter is two-years-old and allergic to eggs, fish, milk and nuts. I am still nursing her, so I have been taking FCLO myself for the past two or three months, hoping that some of it passes to her. I’ve also recently begun taking silica. Her diet is not good and I’ve been trying to work on it, but it has been a slow process. I’ve completely eliminated juice, so I think that has helped. I’ve been using a xylitol toothpaste on her and I think it made things worse. I’m going to look into the tooth powder. I tried the tooth soap recipe and she didn’t like it one bit. :P

    • Brandi G. says:

      Per Cure Tooth Decay, you should not use Xylitol. I, too purchased Xylitol for my little one before purchasing the book, but stopped immediately once I read that.

    • Stacy says:

      Similar question — my daughters and I all have food allergies, most specifically to meat! We are all strict vegetarians, can we still follow the Cure Tooth Decay regimen with success? My 9 year old is doing all right, but my teeth have been rotten all my 37 years, and my 5 year old already has a cavity on her back left lower molar.

      Toward that end, anybody know a good holistic dentist in the Houston, TX area? Thanks!

  6. Brandi G. says:

    This story gives me hope for my 17 month old daughter who is currently experiencing tooth decay/cavities. (Horrible at this age, I know) Her dentist who has been watching her teeth now wants her to have oral surgery/sedation/”the works” and this just freaks me out. I’ve already had to do this with my four year old who had 2 root canals/fillings and it broke my heart seeing her under. I wasn’t aware of Ramiel’s book until after I had my older daughter’s work done. :( I’m currently in the process of getting all the supplies I need to help with my little one’s teeth (Berkey water filter, fermentation pot, etc.)
    My question to you, Mommypotamus, did you have to make eating fun for your daughter? My little one can be picky sometimes and it’s not easy to get her to eat food that she needs. Would you be able to refer me to some good recipes? Also, how did you get her to take her CLO? I put her chocolate Green Pasture’s CLO in fruit smoothies, but will need to cut the fruit out since I’ll be putting her on a strict diet. Lastly, did you use the Skate Liver Oil recommended in Ramiel’s book?
    Many, many thanks in advance for any input!

    • Heather says:

      My kids go through cycles where they love one food and reject another. For me, the key to keeping them well-nourished is to only keep foods in the house that I want them to eat. I do limit their fruit intake because we have far more access to fruit due to international shipping. You can read more about my approach to feeding toddlers here: http://nourishingourchildren.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/cravings-follow-your-childs-lead/

      I think I started out by offering Katie something she wanted in exchange for taking her fermented cod liver oil – like raisins or dried mango. We didn’t cut out fruit entirely, we just limited it. Now they take it without any rewards and say “thank you” to boot!

      Personally, I didn’t cut out smoothies altogether – I just put lots of egg yolks, butter oil and other goodies in them. I still do, and my kids love them.

      I didn’t use the skate liver oil, but I do think it’s a very good option. I have the first edition of his book which I think emphasizes fermented cod liver oil a bit more.

      • Is “butter oil” a different product from pastured butter, like a supplement? I’m combing through all your replies to the comments, so I may see that you answer this below somewhere…but I’d love a source list of the specific supplements you trust, to accompany the stuff in your bullets under “The Plan” above (like the FCLO, butter oil, etc.).
        I’m also very interested to read a followup to the “Update” at the end of this post.
        Thanks for sharing all your helpful info!!

  7. Shikha Ahuja says:

    Hi Mommypotamus, Our 20 months old daughter has stains on her front four teeth. Our holistic dentist removed that using pumice. She also has upper lip tie. The dentist didn’t recommend to clip it as it leaves a scar and that prevents energy flow in the body. Did you clip your daughter’s upper lip tie? If not, did she have trouble talking?

    Thank you,
    Shikha

    • Heather says:

      I didn’t have it clipped. From what I understand it is unlikely to cause any future problems for her, but if it had been a tongue-tie I probably would have. My son was tongue and lip tied and we had them both revised with a laser to minimize scar tissue.

  8. Shikha Ahuja says:

    Hi Mommypotamus,
    I have a question for you. Our 20 months old daughter has stains on her front four teeth. Holistic dentist removed a lot of them through pumice. She also has upper lip tie but holistic dentist doesn’t recommend clipping it as it leaves a scar and prevents energy flow in the body. Did you clip your daughter’s? if no, did she have trouble talking?

    Thank you,
    Shikha

  9. Karen says:

    Such a heartwarming post! Thank you for sharing. Do you have any advice for brushing the teeth of little ones? I’m not terribly concerned with my daughter’s teeth because we eat a good diet and she takes FCLO (she’s 18 months). But I feel that brushing her teeth is simply ineffective at this point. I’m hoping it gets better. Thanks!

  10. Jenmomof5 says:

    Thank you for your post. So encouraging. I was wondering – do you have to continue the rigorous diet with your daughter since she is prone to tooth decay or are you able to relax a little since her teeth have improved. I am mainly interested in knowing if you are still avoiding grains and if fruit and honey are still limited. We too are eating a whole food diet but I would imagine we might be facing some of the same challenges. I have already worked hard to switch our diet and eliminate processed foods. I’m not sure how easily I could make another big change. Thanks for your help!

    • Heather says:

      We incorporated grains, fruit and honey back into her diet years ago and she is doing fine. At this point I don’t consider her prone to tooth decay at all – quite the opposite, actually!

      • Debbie says:

        I recommend you read the book “wheat belly” by Dr. William Davis – he has a great youtube video Wheat the unhealthy whole grain. It will change your opinion on grains and wheat in your daughter’s and your own diet.

  11. Chantal says:

    Hi, I am concerned about my own dental hygiene as I keep getting cavities despite my best efforts! What can I do for myself? Do you recommend the same type of thing? Also I have a one year old and I’m wondering what I should do to protect him from decay? Thanks!

  12. Jeanne says:

    This is amazing! I’ve heard that adults can do this with their teeth also. Definitely will have to look into this as loosing your teeth as you age runs in my family. Yikes!

  13. Heather – this is an amazing story! Thank you so much for sharing. I love these kinds of stories because it shows that diet really can make a huge difference in our children’s lives. :)

  14. Thank you for writing this. Is there any resources you would recommend for healing extreme teeth sensitivity? Processed food in the past and a hygenist who scraped too hard have made it painful to eat hot or cold food. My dentist said that my nerves are exposed on several teeth and he filled them. This did not help with the pain at all. I stopped going to him. Would the book you recommended work for this?

    • Heather says:

      If it were me I’d read Ramiel Nagel’s book. It is my understanding that tooth sensitivity and decay are both the result of weakened enamel, which is what the book is written to help with!

    • Eileen says:

      My teeth used to be sensitivity to cold. What I did is use magnetic energy. I used the PowerMag by Nikken. I’d carry it around with me put it to my mouth whenever I’d remember. It runs on battery or you can plug it in if you order the cord with it. This magnet spins on two axis so that the magnetic field spins in all directions. (can get it from nikken.com/pusey)

      My husband and I both had sensitivity to fruit when we’d brush our teeth. Ouch! I don’t know what happened there. Maybe it was eating grass-fed beef, which we eat sparingly. We eat lots of eggs from chickens that follow the cows in the field. We eat local food, and not very much processed food. I still avoid grapefruit for fear of sensitive teeth.

  15. Kathleen says:

    Thank you for the great information in this post (I shared it with my daughter who has an 18-month old sweetie). I’m interested in the book and such for myself. Thanks again!

  16. Monica says:

    I have a daughter who is almost one year old and I have recently suspected a lip tie. Her top two teeth (same as Katie’s) are slightly yellow along the gum. She has a large gap in her front teeth. I will try to get a picture and send it to the doctor you recommend. To me her frenulum looks attached but it’s hard to know. I think the yellow has improved since I started fclo, more bone broth, and cleaning her teeth every night with a washcloth. It may just be my imagination though. She has always eaten according to your Nourished Baby book, so I was very scared when I noticed her teeth were yellow. I’m trying not to panic! Any thoughts or advice would be welcomed. Thank you for sharing your story.

  17. Gabriela Polak says:

    Hi Heather, thank you for sharing your story about Katie’s problems. It is always heart wrenching when our children are not well, but especially when we think and feel we are doing so good regarding ours and their health, food and nutrition choices and decisions… I too, have a toddler who has a tooth decay, we think that mainly on the top front row of his teeth,(hopefully others are ok, as so far we have not been successful with him to let anyone to look properly)We, too, eating a very healthy diet, but obviously. it is not what his body needs or can have…plus we are still BF, and not willing to give it up yet(although, trying to reduce some night feeding) I also have a almost 6 year old girl, who was BF till she was 4, frequently at night, and she is cavity free…so here we can see how everyone is different, and I don’t personally believe that BF is the reason, why he has decay. I would be grateful, if you could perhaps offer more detailed info on the things you did with Katie, such as what exact foods you offered, have you replaced the grains with other foods, and most importantly, how you managed to give her the FCLO? thanks in advance

    • Heather says:

      I don’t have a list of exact foods, but there are a lot of recommendations in the book. It’s pretty easy to find recipes online that incorporate them.

      I started out by offering Katie something she wanted in exchange for taking her fermented cod liver oil – like raisins or dried mango. We didn’t cut out fruit entirely, we just limited it.

  18. amy says:

    Does anyone have any experience with enamel hypolplasia? My 6 year old’s permament teeth are all coming in with cavities and very little enamel. Is this condition really as hopeless as the dentist makes it out to be?

  19. Rachel says:

    What a beautiful baby!!! :-)

  20. Rachel says:

    Hi! I am also curious if you had Katie’s lip tie clipped? Both of my children have them…

    • Heather says:

      I didn’t have it clipped. From what I understand it is unlikely to cause any future problems for her, but if it had been a tongue-tie I probably would have. My son was tongue and lip tied and we had them both revised with a laser to minimize scar tissue.

  21. April says:

    My children too, all have these problems in their teeth. I am soo pissed about it. Though when my oldest 2 were younger, i did not know about butter, didn’t eat a lot of meat, we have now gotten to where we eat a very traditional diet and its still bad. we FINALLY are starting the FCLO. (the kids actually LOVE the cinnamon tingle. love it so much, in fact that sometimes my 5 year old trys to sneak it). I also got the skate liver oil for good measure.
    We aren’t all the way grain free. we do a soaked grain usually about once a week but i am TRYING to go less and less time before using grains. sometimes its just hard. (my son, the 5 year old however always sneaks bread though its always sprouted its still annoying).
    my daughter (6) also has a tooth abcess. but i still feel that if we can control it by diet and at least notnn let it get bigger, there is no need to operate on it. what are your thoughts?
    another thing we have recently started doing is “oil pulling”. my daughter will do it but my son won’t. i have been doing it now for 3 weeks straight and i think my teeth are feeling better. so gonna keep it on the daily things to do..
    i hate teeth problems!

  22. Junita says:

    My daughter is 4 1/2. We’ve been on GAPS for 11 1/2 months. Her 4 front teeth look terrible. We bought the tooth powder recommended in your post several months ago…we’ve used Earth Paste (bentonite clay) on her teeth…she has a had a good diet the past year since we’ve been on GAPS, but still has a little trouble with milk, so we don’t have her doing a lot of milk products. SOme of what’s on her teeth looks like plaque, but we can’t get it off. There are also 2 brown indentations on the other two teeth. My nutritionalist has checked them closely and says there is no infection up into the gum and isn’t real worried because they are baby teeth, but we certainly have no had the success you have had. What are we doing wrong? Should we break down and take her to the dentist? – - we don’t know if it’s the wise thing to get her started on those visits.

    • Heather says:

      Junita, I don’t think you are necessarily doing anything wrong. I am not an expert and am not qualified to give medical opinions, but I would guess that you’re addressing multiple issues if you’re on GAPS. If it were me I’d expect that things might be a little different under those circumstances. If you don’t have the book already, though, it might be helpful to read through and see if there is anything you haven’t implemented yet!

      • Junita says:

        I do have this book and have read it. The other issues my daughter has is a slight sensitivity to milk and then yeast (from me) :(. We have made huge headway on the yeast problem. We were doing GAPS just for overall health, plus for my adrenal fatigue, that’s it. We were doing a strict regimen of HVBO/FCLO until my nutritionalist discovered that it was causing more digestive upset. That’s why I feel like my hands are tied – she can’t fill up on grassfed raw milk, or take these supplements, both of which are very important for healing. That’s why I was wondering if there is something else you would suggest we try, or if it’s a matter of more time.

        • Junita says:

          Me again. Plus we don’t know what to do about the dentist situation. Our dentist (and all in our area) will probably want to put her on fluoride and whatever else they think will help. That’s why we haven’t taken her to have them cleaned. We don’t know if it’s wise to start dental care at this age.

    • Dee says:

      Take her to the dentist! If you don’t want to use fluoride look up MI-Paste. But do something! If your child loses her teeth prematurely she will probably need braces. Your adult teeth follow your baby teeth.

  23. Becky says:

    I’m so glad you posted this. I’ve been working on applying the Cure Tooth Decay for some time but I must admit I’ve slipped a lot and not followed it strictly. I’m glad you posted about silica. I don’t remember if Ramiel had that in his book or not, but I’ve been wanting to find a good product to add bone building minerals into my diet. I saw that company you recommended also sells a bone building support, do you know anything about that or do you think silica would be enough?
    Thanks for your blog! :) Keep up the great work!

    • Heather says:

      I haven’t looked into their other supplements – bone broth is my “supplement” when it comes to bone health!

      • Becky says:

        I checked into it more and their bone building supplement also has silica and some other bone strengthening minerals. I also found their magnesium drops that I’m going to try to help build up my magnesium levels. I ordered both of them and hope to see some improvement in my teeth, after 4 back to back pregnancies I’ve got a couple holes in my molars :(

  24. Marie says:

    Thank you for sharing so completely! That feeling when you KNOW your on the right path but the results aren’t showing up yet is disconcerting. I am going to order some fermented cod liver oil from Green Pastures today, it’s been on the backburner of my brain for a year. I’ve also wanted that book for a while, maybe today is the day for that too. I am so shocked that it (not only fixed the tooth decay) but helped realign her teeth! I went to a WAPF conference and don’t remember hearing anything about it changing alignment, but I have wondered about it ever since. I have a really narrow face and mouth bridge, I wonder if it would help widen mine? :) One of my daughters has a narrow bridge as well, perhaps as it develops it will widen if we get started now.

    As an aside, my husband read your GAPS post from 2011 today (with your husband in it) and we have decided to go ahead with GAPS. I’m 6 months pregnant and we just can’t deal with my blood sugar issues and his IBS anymore. I’ve studied it for about a year and I never thought we would fully do it but now that he is committed, we are going to start preparing. I noticed you haven’t had any recent GAPS posts– is it your opinion that it was a worthwhile experience in the end?

    • L says:

      Google orthotropics and read a bit about what they address. I think WP gets into the diet aspect of facial/jaw growth and teeth formation but healthy nasal breathing is huge in that too.

      • L says:

        Faces lengthen with mouth breathing (which is often cause by poor diet or initial infrastructure due to diet), and the palate grows narrower and teeth more crooked. This can worsen throughout the crucial growth years. Not all of it determined by what you eat…

    • Heather says:

      Hi Marie! I wouldn’t say the protocol actually changed the alignment of her teeth. Rather, the tooth that broke actually grew back! When it first broke it was obviously shorter than the tooth next to it, but over time it actually length as well as strength. According to WAPF most of our bone structure is determined in utero, but I do believe it continues to be affected by nutrition. In her book, Deep Nutrition, Dr. Cate Shanahan reports growing two inches after switching to a nutrient dense diet!

      Regarding GAPS, yes I do think it was worthwhile. If I could do it over I would tweak my approach slightly, but I am glad we did it.

  25. L says:

    I raised my son on a mostly WPish diet, with the raw milk when possible, some fermented foods, and definitely the CLO. His teeth were always fine. Recently at 10 he did begin to get cavities, which confused me but I assumed it was from the increased sweets he gets at school and friends’ houses.

    Anyway in the interim, we did a food sensitivity test to work on some issues and discovered he has sensitivity to dairy and eggs- so we took those out. I’m starting Curing Tooth Decay now, hoping to halt any further damage and to avoid any future fillings!

    Anyone else dairy free (or just plain vegan) and not know how to approach this? I just ordered more FCLO, this time with Butter Oil, hoping this and his other egg and dairy free approaches will help. Do you think butter oil have the same affects the dairy supposedly had on him?

  26. Sara S says:

    Heather, thanks for posting this. Natural remedies for tooth decay was something I was looking up, then saw your post in my feed!

    I am curious about the FCLO. My 5yo and I have problems with cavities, but I have 3 younger children also and I’d like us all to take it. Is there a more cost effective way to implement the FCLO? Ideally I’d want to get the butter oil blend, but we have to live very frugally and it’s a pretty big expense! What is the most cost-effective way to get these benefits?

  27. Ana says:

    Great post. One question: I’ve read the Cure Tooth Decay book and I just can’t understand all the bottle rot thing, as the book, as far as I can remember, says tooth decay is caused by the internal weakness of the teeth, not by anything happening at the surface of them, like the bacterial attacks defended by mainstream.

    • Heather says:

      Because of her lip tie, milk pooled in the top of my daughter’s mouth and got stuck. Though most decay comes from internal weakness, it is possible to have localized decay due to external factors.

  28. Dee says:

    You guys seriously…. Go to a dentist! I am a dental hygienist and I believe in doing things naturally if possible. Most of the people leaving comments no offense but have no dental knowledge. Brush, floss, eat a good diet, and see your dentist regularly. If you have a cavity that has not yet gone into the dentin than you can remineralize it. Otherwise you need to see a dentist or you will eventually lose the tooth. Sensitivity is most likely from a cavity or exposed root surface which is porous and transfers to you nerve easily. If you are sensitive stay away from acidic food which you should also do if you are cavity prone and use a toothpaste temporarily with potassium nitrate and fluoride. No whitening or abrasive agents.

  29. Dee says:

    Also, brush your child’s teeth! With a toothbrush not washcloth. Don’t send them to bed with milk of any kind. Last thing before bed should be to brush. My son is 6 and has never had a cavity and my daughter is 19 months and no cavities. We use a battery powered brush and no fluoride paste for her and she loves it.

  30. This makes me so happy! Good Job Mom!

  31. Dee says:

    I’m not sure why my brush, floss, eat healthy, and GO TO THE DENTIST post was deleted?

  32. Annette says:

    I have a 15mth old,5 and 6 yr old. The 2 youngest will take the cinnamon fclo/butter blend. It is too spicy for my 6 yr. old. Have you tried the chocolate? I read someone used an orange flavor? Also what the heck do you feed your kids for breakfast? Especially if you are trying to stay away from grains and fruit???? We do a lot of eggs but we get tired of that. Help!

    • Maia says:

      Hi Annette, I’m sure that Heather will have great ideas for you about breakfast menus. I just follow the meal ideas on pages 108-111 in Nagel’s book. We’ve had sushi rolls for breakfast, potato pancakes, fish cakes, raw cheese custard with a few fruits, etc… Hope this helps!

  33. Inkling says:

    Thanks for this post! When I took my son into the pediatric dentist for his check-up and asked if they were familiar with Nagel’s book, they looked at me as if I had two heads. I was pretty bummed. Rumor has it there is a holistic dentist four hours from me, but I’m still trying to find one here in BC.

    There is a fabulous tongue & lip tie support group on Facebook. I joined it after making the connection between my son’s digestive issues and his unrevised posterior tongue tie. Dr. Kotlow and several other experts in the field will occasionally chime in. It’s a great place to discuss handling revisions and the protocol afterwards. For whatever reason, I cannot link to it, but anyone can find it by putting Tongue Tie Babies Support Group in the search bar.

    • Where in BC do you live? I live in Enderby, and I’ve heard that there is a really good dentist in Kelowna. I don’t know what he is like (after all, I haven’t visited a dentist since I was six), but my neighbour highly recommends him.

  34. Shauna says:

    Thank you, Thank you! I could write the same background story for my 2.5 year old. Word for word, it is EXACTLY the same as my sons from the beginning diet, to the dates he got the decay, to the lip tie, AND the time period that he first developed it. I’ve been putting off buying the blue ice fermented cod liver oil/butter oil because of the cost but now I’m motivated than ever to do it. Hopefully we will have the same results. I get the same feeling as you did when people look at his teeth and automatically assume i’m lazy or let him drink soda.

  35. Amy says:

    We want to implement the same strategies & have started using toothpaste with no fluoride. However, we have fluoride in our water. How much, do you think, will this negate our efforts? Futile? Does your family use some sort of water filtration system that you could recommend? When I search for products such as these, I find them all to be outside our budget. We try to use bottled water but the fluoride is in our ice and we cook with it, etc. Thanks so much to all with suggestions!

  36. I just want to say THANK YOU for posting about this (I don’t remember, I think I may have commented before)! I’ve been following the same protocol with my daughter (though I admit we haven’t adhered to it as stringently) who’s teeth look JUST LIKE THAT, it might as well have been her mouth :) I’ve been really discouraged. By strangers, by grandparents who keep feeding my kids sweets/grains, and by my Self actually too. It’s refreshing to see it can be done, it’s so hard to keep at it. Thank you for the encouragement not to give up! :) I’m hoping at least her new teeth will come in stronger as we continue with FCLO every day.

  37. helen says:

    I love your blog! I am wondering if you have any recommendations for my 3 year old. 6 months ago he had his first dentist appt and he had a whopping 8 cavities! We were eating pretty well, but now we have incorporated raw milk, FCLO, and butter oil in to all of our diets, but I just had another dentist appt and he still has all the cavities PLUS another one! I was really hoping for none at all. It is a biological dentist and he said my son has 5 that are beyond trying to remineralize and they will need to fill them. BLAH! Any help? I do have to say that I don’t do all the things in the heal your cavities book. Mostly just adding the milk and oils. He does eat sugar often b/c people are constantly throwing it at him which I hate.

  38. Francesca says:

    I am sorry if this is a repeat but I have not read the 70 other comments above. I enjoy your blog and since seeing this particular one I realize my daughter has an upper lip tie which worries me, it seems to extend down between the front teeth. I wrote to Dr Kotlow and he said he thought it should be relieved. I have had no nursing problems or no symptoms at all. I try to follow a WAPF diet as best as I can and am worried about the tooth decay that your daughter experienced. The dentists and people I have talked to locally have all mentioned that they feel this tooth decay (obviously just guessing since they don’t know all the details) was caused not only by an upper lip tie, but possibly lack of brushing or prolonged nursing causing pools of milk to for lactic acid which would decay teeth. I am not criticizing at all but am curious if you co-sleep or nurse a lot at night? Also do you brush your kids teeth and starting at what age? This is all new to me and I am fearful my daughter will have all the cavities I have and I am doing whatever I can to try to give her the best leg up in this area, including FCLO/HVBO. We didn’t put our 12 month old under our dental insurance this year so if we do have this procedure done we will have to wait till next year. Thanks in advance : )

  39. Emalee says:

    I was wondering if you have any resources for information on how to help with gum decay/disease/ receding gums or if this is also covered in the Cure Tooth Decay book. I am fortunate that my teeth themselves are in good shape, but I’m having trouble with my gums. Any advice for resources would be so greatly appreciated!

  40. B says:

    Hey, can you share your some tried and true smoothie recipe with the eggs yolks and butter oil that your children enjoy drinking? I am trying to find something my daughter will actually enjoy! :)

  41. [...] Mommypotamus (Heather) demonstrated how she improved her daughter’s teeth when they started to show signs of decay [...]

  42. Kim says:

    In the “Cure Tooth Decay” book does he talk about healing a chipped tooth at all? My husband was boxing with a friend a few years ago and chipped one of his front teeth. He never saw a dentist about it, but is considering seeing one because it is really sensitive when he eats cold things. I was wondering if reading that book would give me any info on the subject or if you had heard anything helpful on naturally healing a chipped tooth?

  43. Maia says:

    When you mention making chicken bone soup, it doesn’t sound like you use the whole chicken. Do you just use the bones after you have made roast chicken, for example? I know that my French grandmother used to do that but wonder how much nutrition is left in the bones after it’s been cooked.

    • Heather says:

      Yes, I use the chicken frame after we have eaten the meat. The goal of the broth is to draw the minerals from the bones because they are highly bioavailable to the body :)

  44. It’s amazing to me that we can heal our bodies in such a way. Fascinating.

  45. Kristen says:

    Thank you so much for this post! I referred to the previous post you mentioned also which helped me a ton! My daughter is almost seven, but when she was three she had fallen and caught her lip on a counter and ripped that piece of skin almost completely. I then realized (since we were still nursing) that that is why we had struggled nursing all this time. Little milk supply, colic….ect… She healed well and even her smile was bigger. (We have been to a dentist a few times since, but nothing was ever said about it). Today, my daughter took a fall in the car and you can guess that she ripped the skin the rest of the way. I think I will still have her looked at, but am confident it was a blessing in disguise. Thanks for sharing you’re experiences with us!

  46. Seana says:

    For those asking about curing tooth decay while dealing with food allergies/sensitivities . . . Our family has number of food sensitities. We have issues with gluten, grains, dairy, nightshades and citrus. We try to eat full GAPS, at thos point. Before we discovered GAPS I read the Cure Tooth Decay book. A couple years ago, my daughter started showing signs of cavities. Our dentist uses a device called a diagnodent (sp?.) It’s a laser device that seems to measure tooth density. The dentist wanted to drill and fill several places. I put him off saying I wanted to research it more. That’s when I bought the Cure Tooth Decay book. Because of our food issues, FCLO/BO didn’t work for us. I never had the money to try the FCLO seperately. After a lot of research, I ran across a study where they used vitamin k-mk4 in a study to improve bone density in osteoporosis patients. I don’t remember the exact figures but it increased bone density by like 60% in like 6 weeks. Before we started our regimen, my dd’s diagnodent numbers were all in the high 30′s to early 40′s indicating that she had cavities begining. 6 months later, all the numbers were single digits! We took Solgar Cod Liver Oil, Carlson vitamin K-MK4, Country Cal-Mag w/phosphorous, vitamin D. We also eliminated sugar and substituted stevia w/ a little honey. We added grassfed beef -mostly hamburger and liver. We got rid of our conventional toothpaste and replaced it with IPSAB Tooth Powder or Ecodent. We also took 3 bottles of Dr Ron’s grassfed beef liver split between my ds, dd and I.
    Now, I will add that if you don’t keep up on the nutrients, either via supplements or diet, you may have issues. During the 6 mo after my daughter’s dental appt when she showed such vreat improvement, we took her off the vitamin k and relaxed our diet, some. At her next appt, her diagnodent numbers were as high as 89 in some of her teeth. Keep in mind that we do have “gut” issues, hence the more recent addition of the Gaps diet. Those issues may have contributed to the rapid return of dd’s cavities. We also used the services of an

  47. Seana says:

    We also used the sevices of an ND with a biomeridian machine to determine proper doses of each supplement and which supplements would be most effective.

  48. Marilyn says:

    Hello. Is there a way to get a promo code for those of us who are on a serious budget? Also, is this 100% guaranteed? If I don’t like it – can I return it for a full refund? I viewed your “how to make chocolate body butter” on your website but found that I couldn’t make out a lot of what you were saying due to poor audio (your kitchen echoed) and wasn’t sure where to get those ingredients. And I couldn’t here what you said about the chocolate. Was that actual chocolate? I’m not sure I’d want chocolate on my skin. Sounds a little icky. I’d like a clean scented smell instead of smelling like food. Please advise.

  49. Josh says:

    Heather
    I am curious if the fluoride in your water was every checked. Tea contains very high amounts of fluoride and it is known to make teeth turn brown and fall out. I also wonder if you practiced sun avoidance and sunscreen. These block vitamin D from the sun which is an extremely potent source.

    • Heather says:

      Hi Josh, we have a Berkey with fluoride filter. As for Vitamin D, I did not get a lot during the first trimester because it was a very rainy year, but after that I spend about an hour in midday sun for most of the second and third trimester without sunblock. (I actually went into work an hour early so I could take 2 hour lunches to get sun!)

  50. Holly says:

    THANK YOU!!! We had a dentist appointment last month and found out that my daughter has cavities, one in each back molar and then a cavity between her front teeth. I’ve been trying to figure out how because she doesn’t eat a lot of sugar, we a whole foods diet, and she still nurses, but lately I’ve added FCLO to our diet (I sneak it into her water) and upped our tooth brushing regiment which has been h*** but we’re trying. I hadn’t heard of the upper lip tie, but my God that explains a lot. The colic, the low milk supply, the speech delay, the front teeth cavities. I’m going to check her tonight for this.
    And thank you for making me feel like I wasn’t a bad mom. I’ve been beating myself up since April thinking there was something I was doing wrong. I feel like maybe I’m not so bad after all.

  51. Trisha says:

    Thank you so much for the info. I had never heard of lip tie and thought that that was how it was suppose to look because well, that is what mine looks like. I have a 4 1/2 year old and a 13 month old and I wish I had learned of this earlier. My younger lip is tighter and I he has a very clampy latch. Both have the gap in their teeth. I was wondering if it would cause issues down the road with jaw/ facial bone and muscle development? Bfing it difficult but at this point I don’t know if that is enough of a reason to clip it. I just don’t want long term problems. I read some of your other posts a lip tie as well as some other stories and I was wondering about some of the difference between the laser vs cutting. It sounds like cutting would still leave the extra tissue between the teeth and not fix tooth alignment, is that true? Also I saw where I could email the doctor but not how to attach the picture, so I emailed them but have not got a response. Thank you, any advice you might have would be great.

    • Heather says:

      Hi Trisha, I think Dr. K is more qualified to respond to these questions than I am. His phone number is on his website so you might give them a call if you don’t hear back soon :)

  52. Sharon says:

    Hello! Great post. We are going through this with our 19 month old right now. Did you night nurse? If so did you wean her once you discovered the tooth decay? Thank!

  53. Tatyana says:

    Hi Heather! I love your blog. And this story is so inspirational for me. I am considering buying Heal Thy Mouth presentation. I already have Nagel’s book. What caught my attention is one of your notes in regards to the summit: What to put on a child’s teeth if they have baby tooth decay to slow it down (or even stop it) while you work on diet. My son has some decay on his baby teeth and one of his molars has chipped a few days ago. So I was wondering if that comments refers to some safe dental treatment or something we can do at home? I’m still debating if the presentations are worth the cost and go a lot beyond Nagel’s book. Thank you!

    • Heather says:

      Hi Tatyana! The “what to put on your child’s teeth” reference comes from a talk given by Dr. Julian Holmes on the use of ozone during dentistry. I found it very interesting and encouraging!

  54. Summer says:

    Hi Heather
    Thank you so much for this post. I bought the Heal tooth decay book about 6 months ago to heal my sons tooth decay. We use to eat a standard western diet with store bought bread and crackers etc, I thought I was making healthy choices for my family by choosing wholemeal. My world has been rocked since reading the book and from there I now have nourishing traditions. So we have cut out grains and now for a treat I will soak spelt flour and bake something nice once every 2 weeks. I’m finding it hard coming up with foods that my son will eat while trying to limit the fruit intake. He gladly takes fclo/hvbo blend thank goodness. Did you include rice while healing Katie’s teeth? And did you soak the rice before eating?

  55. Toya Lane says:

    Thanks

    • Toya Lane says:

      I meant thanks. This saved me from crying my eyes out after noticing two tiny brown specks on my daughter’s front teeth today. She is 3 and her teeth grew in with tiny white spots. A wonderful woman from a FB group that I belong to provided your link for me to read. I was feeling like a horrible mom. I’m going out to get fermented cod liver oil and making my own toothpaste tomorrow. Thank you so much.

  56. Ronna says:

    Thank you for sharing your experience! I had a similar experience with my older son. I was vegetarian (mostly vegan) during my pregnancy with him. His teeth pretty much came in with brown spots and his jaw was pretty narrow making his lateral incisors point nearly straight back. We drastically changed our diet when he was just over two years old (when my second son was born with craniosynostosis… that’s a whole other story) to include pastured eggs, homemade butter, raw milk, broth, and meats including organ meats. Over time, probably a couple years, his teeth (all our teeth) became visibly stronger and whiter. He is now 7 and no longer has brown stains on his teeth. Oh, and his palate has widened drastically as well. Although his adult bottom teeth are coming in a bit crooked, I am sure it would have been much different if we would have continued on a nutrient deficient diet. I will be interested to see what his top teeth do, as they have not started to fall out yet. We plan to treat his crowded jaw with a Biobloc. Thankfully with my younger son he has beautiful cavity free, properly-spaced white teeth. He’s lucky that we changed our diet while I was still nursing him and his first foods included egg yolk and marrow! I don’t think he’ll need orthotropics.

  57. april says:

    Has anyone heard of http://www.thedentalessentials.com/? It is a supplement that supplies the same nutrients that are in the cod liver oil, etc. but seems to be cheaper. I’m not finding a lot of testimonials online, but the research that has gone into the product is very impressive. Thank you for this encouraging post! Seems like such a miracle, but I know it was hard work too!

    • Heather says:

      I only spent 10 seconds on the website because I need to get the kids ready for the day. My first thought is that the supplement doesn’t contain true Vitamin A (pre-formed, not betacarotene), which works synergistically with D. For that reason and because fermented cod liver oil contains micronutrients and co-factors, I personally do not consider them to be equivalent.

  58. april says:

    2 more questions! :)
    1) Am I reading this right– you did the “diet” (plus supplements, etc.) for about a year to have those amazing results? So after the good results, and “all clear” dentist appointment, you slowly added back the fruit, grains and honey?
    2) Has anyone out there had luck reversing a cavity with less stringent diet modifications? (Thus my earlier post asking about Dental Essentials supplement?) Seems like Healthy Home Economist’s son still was eating his toast and butter and experienced healing. Would love other stories!
    THANKS!!! This is all so exciting!
    April

  59. april says:

    Thanks! So did I read it right that you were on the restricted diet for about a year? Just wondering how long we might have to restrict our diets. We have a lot of situations where I don’t have control over what my kids eat, so I’m trying to figure out a plan. I am loving perusing your website as I get time! THANKS!

    • Heather says:

      We eat a traditional, real food diet as a lifestyle so the diet so to speak has lastest much longer than a year. However, we did restrict grains and honey/fruit and emphasize certain foods for a little longer than a year :)

  60. Toya says:

    I would love to hear if most of you who have tried the FCLO have had success with a particular flavor. I’m a single mom and when I order I can’t afford to keep trying different options. I also see two brands. Is there any one brand preference over the other. My daughter is running when I try to brush her teeth with the powder now. I did also order the redmond clay toothpaste http://www.swansonvitamins.com/redmond-trading-company-earthpaste-amazingly-natural-toothpaste-lemon-twist-4-oz-paste

    • Heather says:

      Toya, the only truly fermented cod liver oil is made by Green Pastures. Most people find that the cinnamon tingle is easiest to get down, thought it’s a bit strong for some. We buy the unflavored.

  61. Maia says:

    Hi, I have been trying to save my kids teeth but they HATE any kind of the FCLO. I also was wondering how you found your dentist. Mine is making me feel guilty since I don’t brush and floss both my kids teeth after every drink or food.

    Thanks!

  62. april says:

    Just FYI…we are trying our first bottle of FCLO, and upon many recommendations we are trying the cinnamon. The kids think that the cinnamon taste is a little weird, but since it’s our first try they don’t realize that maybe it’s way better than it could be! But Heather’s recommendation of the unflavored may be best for us too. We’ve tried taking it, quickly following with bite of applesauce, and holding breath until done. I think a quick OJ chaser would be good too.

  63. Judy says:

    I tried to read the post, but I couldn’t get past the part about you drinking raw milk when you were pregnant.

  64. [...] Reverse Tooth Decay – these are great tips to follow to help revere and prevent tooth decay. [...]

  65. Confused! says:

    Hi Heather,
    My daughter is almost 4 and she has a real problem. She has seen a dental surgeons and he said that she has “major tooth decay” from, apparently, being breastfed during the night. He wants to put metal caps on all her molars and completely remove her two front teeth! All this makes me so frightful. I believe in the body’s ability to heal itself, but I just don’t know what to do at this point. The surgeon said that if I let these teeth go without surgery, it will affect how her adult teeth come in. He said that something needs to be done asap! Truth be told, I haven’t been the most vigilant about her diet. She basically lives off grains and cereals. I want to start her on a program to reverse her tooth decay (well, the whole family would adopt the program!), but the dentist has made me so fearful that it’s just too late for that. I don’t know what to do!
    Kiki

    • Heather says:

      I cannot say what is right for any family, but I do believe that in some cases intervention is necessary. Personally, I would contact a holistic expert such as Dr. Felix Liao for a second opinion, then follow his recommendations.

  66. Luminita says:

    Hello
    I have a 22 month boy with big dental problems:big tooth decay ( the process started around his 10 months), half of his 4 superior incisives are gone ( broke), the rest are yellow. We been to doctor, even try to put fillings which was very traumatic and we decide to stop this intrusive solution. All the doctors (4 of them) sad that is because of the night brestfeeding :-(. I’ve started to give him silica, that you recommended but I’m not sure about the quantities or if I should worry about side effects. Can you help me with this info?
    I’m feeling so powerless and desperate.
    Thank you,
    Lumi

    • Heather says:

      Luminita, I am so sorry for what you are going through. Though I wish I could offer advice, it sounds like your situation is outside of my scope. I recommend contacting a holistic dentist that might be willing to do a phone/video consult. There are many out there, but I happen to know of one if you need a name. Dr. Liao of http://wholehealthdentalcenter.com

  67. Jessica says:

    Hi Heather,

    Thank you so much for this post! I read it a while back and really appreciated it, but was so thankful that my daughter had healthy, white teeth. NOW at age 2 she has the start of some grey discoloration on the gum line of her two front teeth. All of her teeth look grayish instead of whitish…this seems like it’s happened pretty suddenly. She’s been eating more grains and raw honey than I intended, but still she loves fermented veggies and has them daily along with organic meats and wonderful pastured raw milk. Yet, still nighttime nursing has been a struggle and I really resonated with the terminology of “breast fed version of bottle rot.” She has been nursing to sleep since birth (so definitely AFTER her teeth get brushed for the night they are bathed in lactose). AND brushing her teeth is a major struggle so it has not been done properly ever really.

    So, I immediately got more diligent with the fermented cod liver oil and added in the high vitamin butter oil (plus we eat natto for the K2 and nattokinase among other things). Our toothpaste is homemade with clay, coconut oil, a pinch of stevia powder, salt, and peppermint eo. I came back to your post and so much appreciated the hope that it provided that we can stop and possibly reverse what’s going on. Like you, I didn’t think this could happen to me with her having a nutrient dense diet and healthy pregnancy. I ordered the book your recommended as well. This is such a stressful thing. Thanks so much for the inspiration and ray of hope.

  68. desiree says:

    hi! i was wondering how you got your kids to take the cod liver oil and the butter oil..?? mine just spit it out or puke before it even goes down :( any tips???

    • Heather says:

      Neither of my kids really complained about the cod liver oil, but they didn’t like the butter oil. Go figure! I mixed it with a little maple syrup for them and it went right down :)

  69. Stephanie says:

    I never had any problems nursing my daughter (now 3.5 years old). Her teeth are happy although she has a gap which runs in my husband’s family. Just today my friend told me that she noticed a lip tie in her son who is a year old. She has had trouble nursing, etc. Out of curiosity, I looked it up and found that my daughter has what appears to be a stage 4 lip tie! Is it possible/common to have a lip tie but have no other issues. Her teeth are very healthy now – it is possible to be diligent in cleaning and diet to prevent tooth decay?

    • Heather says:

      I am not an expert, but I would guess that it is possible :)

    • Dawn says:

      I have been doing SOOO much research on this since we started battling my son’s tooth decay. I’m no pro, either, but it seems like genetics also plays a huge role. As well as – as some have said – mom’s nutrition during pregnancy. Honestly it seems like there are so many factors, it’s kind of like the perfect storm. I bet the LT is one of those factors and some kids do fine even with the tie.

  70. Sara r. says:

    I have just noticed some discoloration on my sons front teeth, and I remembered this post. We also eat mostly WAP but he was conceived accidentally, while heavily nursing his sister, so I always worried about his teeth. He also had a TT and LT that was lasered 6 months ago. Were you still nursing katie when you saw the decay? If so, did you night wean? I’m thinking that maybe I should. Fortunately his teeth are not too bad yet. He has fallen on his face several times and only chipped one small part so far. I can see brown but only on the back of his teeth.

  71. Mindy says:

    I am so happy I came across your post. I thought I was just imagining things with my daughter. She is 18 months old and I have noticed the edges of both of her front teeth are so thin they are almost transparent. I am still nursing and she still nurses a lot at night. I guess I’m trying to figure out if I should wean her (I don’t want to). I also think she has a lip tie. At this age, I am wondering if it would be worth seeing a doctor or if i should wean and incorporate diet changes.Or keep nursing, while adding the cod liver oil and butter oil to her diet and see a dr. Any thoughts? I love your site, btw :)

  72. Ashli says:

    Hi Heather! Thank you so much for this info. My son is almost 18 months and his teeth look to be pretty weak, stained, and one of his front teeth is chipped. I have been trying to brush his teeth since he was little, but he really does not like it (throws fits, closes mouth, cries, screams…) We only eat organic and while I was pregnant I drank raw milk & was really getting into the Weston Price diet/suggestions. However, after he was born we discovered that he has multiple food allergies/intolerances: dairy, soy, gluten, corn, eggs, beef… and is sensitive to some other things. That makes following the Weston Price diet pretty difficult, actually feeding him in general can be pretty challenging. Luckily, he is still breastfeeding, but he is so sensitive that even I cannot eat dairy, soy, etc. I just made your recipe for tooth soap and tooth brightening scrub and am determined to brush his teeth with these, despite his tantrums. I am also going to start doing cod liver oil, was deterred in the past because some have soy in them and another was encapsulated in bovine, so I need to do a bit more research to make sure that I get the right one. I’m also going to order Ramiel Nagel’s book, and do the silica too. I feel like his teeth are so week due to lack of calcium, though we eat lots of leafy greens and try to get it from as much non-dairy sources as we can. I’m wondering if you have any other advice for me? I appreciate anything you have to offer. I am trying to be the best mom that I can be, by accommodating his unique diet, and now his teeth? Ahhh. Please help. Thanks and awesome job with your daughter! There is hope!

  73. Leanne H says:

    Hi, Heather. I have a question about the lip tie revision. In Katie’s pictures (so adorable!), I notice her upper lip seems to partially cover her top teeth in all except her final “after picture.” I assume this is post-revision. Did you notice that her upper lip starting coming up a bit when smiling as a result of the revision? I have a 3.5 year old with two brown spots on her top two front teeth. Her lip does cover the top portion of her teeth even with smiling, and I believe it is also due to an upper lip tie. I was curious if a revision actually helped to change that.

  74. Dawn says:

    Forgive me if this is in here somewhere and I missed it but how long did you follow the program before you saw/noticed a difference? I was just informed my son will need 5 caps and a filling. While his teeth aren’t *visually* as bad off as your daughter’s were initially he has severe decay on the backs of his 4 upper front teeth and is losing material on one tooth. We’re getting started on some weston price methods but I’m wondering if it’s too late? We have a lot of bad eating habits I’ll have to reverse while introducing the new program so I’m not sure I’ll really be making progress. I’m wondering how long I should give myself before I just fold and have the dental work done. I don’t want him losing any teeth. Thanks!

  75. Seana says:

    Hi, Dawn. I think you’re looking at at least 6 weeks. The study on Vitamin K2-MK4 that they did in Japan to show the effects of MK4 on Osteoporosis showed results in 6 weeks.
    I can’t find the link right now. These articles reference that study but don’t quote the length of time.
    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/mar2008_Protecting-Bone-And-Arterial-Health-With-Vitamin-K2_01.htm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-neustadt/its-time-to-change-the-di_b_201401.html

    My daughter’s teeth improved with diet and supplements from one dental appointment to the next and then reversed to being a problem again, in the next six months. We made the mistake of taking supplements out and letting our guard down on our diet during that second six month period. We cut all sugar and substituted stevia. We started eating gass-fed beef,

  76. JJ says:

    Hi there
    I have found your blog about tooth decay so very helpful. There really isn’t that much info out there on the subject. I realised my son had tooth decay when he was about 18 months old. I have Ramiel Nagal’s book. I was wondering if you have had a vegetarian’s contact you as we have cut out sugar and fruit in his diet and put him on vitamins and minerals but I am finding it hard to cut out grains. Any help?

  77. Tanessa says:

    Hello Heather! I have a nearly 2 year old with decay on 3 of her top front teeth. I know a lot of the decay has to do with her diet and upper lip tie. I am trying to access raw milk, butter, and meat from grass fed cows. My question is how or what shellfish do you have your daughter eat? I am not a fish person, but I want to do whatever I can to help my daughters teeth. Any special recipes? Also where did you get the liver oil from? Thanks!

  78. Eve says:

    I’m so thrilled to find your website Heather! Both my children (3&4) are experiencing this same thing. I felt so discouraged as well when strangers would say hello and my children would have big smiles saying hello as well feeling as if I do not properly take care of their teeth. They’ve always been on a based whole food diet. They have a Natural Pediatrician, but I never thought about a holistic dentist. I have found one that is 3 hours away which I’ll take! I will be purchasing the book as well. Thank you so much again for making me feel hopeful on this journey!

  79. kristi says:

    I’m dealing with this exact situation with my 19 month old son. He has a severe lip tie that went undiagnosed until i found it two months ago and i worked nights during my first trimester, so not a lot of sunlight. His 4 top incisors are pitted and rough and they aren’t even in all the way yet! We went to a conventional dentist yesterday who made a very bad impression on me. First, he blamed breastfeeding for the decay, which any well-informed breastfeeding mama knows is not the case, second, he completely blew off the lip tie, and third he recommend daily ingested fluoride and monthly fluoride treatments at his office. Three strikes!

    I came away very, very displeased, and am determined to redouble my efforts to correct this problem without subjecting my kiddo to toxic fluoride. I started taking cod liver oil and vitamin d supplements myself a month ago, in hopes of bolstering my breastmilk, i ordered Dr. Christopher’s tooth powder, I’m reading Cure Tooth Decay, and I’m looking in to xyliyol. I’m not sure what else to do, but I feel very close to panicking!

    Did you have your daughter’s tie revised? How old was she when you started using toothpowder? Is it safe for toddlers? What are your thoughts on xylitol? How old was she when you stayed supplementing her diet with A, D, E, K? I’m starting pastured, raw dairy a soon as the budget allows, and will be doing more bone broth. Not do sure i can handle organ meat though :)

    I’m sorry to blast you with questions like this! I’m in freakout mode! Thank you in advance!

  80. Christina Hauri says:

    Thank you so much for this post! I read this a while back, just in case… and now my nearly 3 year old shows signs off tooth decay :( We have struggled with eating healthy as she is EXTREMELY picky… I noticed the white marks along the gum line first, but in trying to research what it was, all I could find is a possible loss or change in minerals/nutrients in her diet that caused it or an injury. I just read the Cure Tooth Decay book yesterday and see that it’s actually the first sign of tooth decay… if ONLY I had read this sooner :( We already eat grass-fed meat, but I have to turn it into jerky for my daughter to eat it. She is a twin, and I just checked both girls for a lip-tie – both have them, but my daughter with tooth decay has more of a lip tie. I honestly didn’t notice the actual decay until the last week (I check regularly) and I took away milk (processed – still look for raw milk) a week ago… I just couldn’t deal with giving her processed milk (she LOVES milk) anymore, so I took it away. So maybe the lack of calcium in her diet made the tooth decay progress further? Not sure… I did just start giving her FCLO a few weeks ago, but not every day – since I noticed the tooth decay, it’s now EVERY DAY! I ordered the butter oil and skate liver oil for her – waiting for it to arrive. Also ordered bone broth from US Wellness Meats in a 2.5 pail – it’s made from the Nourishing Traditions recipe, so I am trusting it until I can make my own (I have 2 jobs and twins – busy, busy). My girls LOVE crackers, donuts (special occasions), and some cookies. Family members love giving them candy because it’s a special treat since I rarely give it to them. I’m getting rid of all of it! Though I worry about what she will get at daycare (I will be discussing this with them). My daughter is so picky, but loves fruit and bacon.

    Moms, do you think high quality grass-fed bacon is okay? How about grass-fed beef jerky? The book mentions delicately cooked meats… so I’m not sure.

    We eat a LOT of it as that’s the only meat she will eat besides jerky. I just started making my own jerky – it’s Elk; wild game meat. I plan to make more with grass-fed/finished meats for her. And our bacon is highest quality from US Wellness Meats – sugar free/uncured. I plain to make my own as well, but having trouble finding high quality pork belly and it’s such a process.. it’s easier to buy.

    I honestly don’t know what to feed her… she now says she is constantly hungry since I took milk away. I wonder if I can find a Raw Milk source (I’ve looked, and asked – we have one an hour away, which is really far for someone in my situation), if Raw Milk is okay for her with a lip-tie?

    Moms with children with a lip-tie, do you still give milk? I’m worried about it, because she loves it so much and I’m assuming that’s part of the issue, since I rarely gave her juice (when I do it’s often homemade/fresh squeezed).

    I’d love some thoughts from anyone on meal suggestions!!! And if you are going to tell me to take her to a dentist, I’m already looking for a holistic one… ;) Thanks!

    • Christina says:

      I found bacon! Yay! My search function wasn’t working in my Kindle book; my apologies! I still couldn’t find jerky, and I’m not sure if I should do milk with a lip-tie issue… ??

    • Christina Hauri says:

      **Update**

      I had to give up… my daughter’s teeth only got worse, as I could not get her to eat the 95% of the suggested foods. She started refusing FCLO after a few months of taking it. I feel that the decay at least slowed down when we were doing FCLO, and Dr. Christopher’s Tooth Powder, plus following as much of the Cure Tooth Decay diet as possible. We couldn’t find a good raw milk source, so I was using Dr. Christopher’s calcium supplement for kids. It seemed to make a difference at first, but slowly got worse. My daughter ended up with a bad ear infection and after getting no help from a naturopathic doctor (she was terrible), we went to a pediatrician who put her on antibiotics (I greatly struggled with that decision). I didn’t realize the impact of antibiotics on teeth… my daughter’s teeth were 50% worse within 24 hours of starting the antibiotics… yikes.

      We went to the pediatric dentist right down the street, and he was wonderful! I was so worried about going to a mainstream dentist. My daughter is a twin and her sister has excellent oral health. The dentist had no explanation, but he does want to clean the cavities and cap her teeth. At this point, I’m afraid I have no other choice. I tried to find a holistic dentist for my daughter, tried to work with what I thought was an excellent naturopathic doctor, did my best to follow the CTD diet for several months, etc. Nothing worked for us, BUT I feel that part of that is due to her age and pickiness. If she was younger, I could have easily got her to drink bone broth, take FCLO, etc. without any issue. As she is 3 years old, she would rather starve then eat/drink some of the healthier things I’ve tried to give her.

      While I feel I lost the battle with this one, I am thankful to have found a nice pediatric dentist to help us. I believe in doing things the ‘natural’ way first, but it doesn’t always work for every person. I have done so much research on this topic and honestly was very scared to take my daughter to a dentist, because of the horror stories from other parents. I hope other parents out there will have more luck with this method, but just know that if it doesn’t work, you aren’t the only one.

  81. Emily McMillan says:

    Keep in mind that tooth dacay could also mean more than poor nutrition. I have been following a Weston Price diet for my 2 year old for almost a year and his teeth got worse and worse and then other things starting developing… Excema, constipation etc… We finally took him to a hollistic doctor who discovered he had a blockage in his lower intestine. He now takes a myriad of supplements in addition to the diet. His teeth are ready bad but I still have some hopes of healing them now that we are discovering the root cause.

  82. Alissa says:

    I’m pretty sure my son has a small lip-tie which I did not want to get fixed. The only problem I’m afraid of is that his teeth will continue to rot since we are still breastfeeding. He is 2 and I don’t see him weening anytime soon. He still nurses a few times at night (we cosleep) so it is impossible for me to clean his teeth after everytime. I saw that you stated in one of the comments that you never got your daughters clipped…so was your daughter still breastfeeding when her cavities started to heal? My sons teeth look almost identical to your daughters except the one that crumbled a little was his left lateral incisor. I bought this book a while ago and, for the most part, followed it. I didn’t do the cod liver oil but I do give him raw, pasture butter. His teeth are still brown and not looking better like the book has said (not looking worse either, I was thankful for that). I trust Price’s diet completely for overall health but I started to not believe the curing of tooth decay part. After looking at the pictures of your little girl, I now believe : )

  83. Nina says:

    Hi Heather,

    Great blog! I nearly cried the first time I read this because my daughter who is now 2.5, has been going through this since she first sprouted her first teeth. I had no clue, before reading this, that she is lip tied! Her little top teeth have been decaying and I couldn’t figure out why if I am not giving her juices or candy or sweets! You have brought me to the light and for that I thank you! I am reading Nagiel’s book on decay and have started the FCLO and removed almost all grain. I sank in my chair when I read that oatmeal causes tooth decay in small children. I use to feed her that 3-4 times a week thinking it was so healthy for her. Lesson learned! My question to you is this, I can’t cut out bread completely out of her diet, sometimes we will take a half sandwich on the go for her, what bread do you think would be less damaging? Sprouted wheat, whole wheat, sourdough, etc? Second question. I dont know what to feed for breakfast anymore. Right now, she’s eating egg (from pasture hens) almost every day. What would you give Katie for breakfast? Third question: I read you gave Katie the unflavored one. Did you give her a teaspoon or 1/2 tsp a day? I give Sierra 1/2tsp of the chocolate FCLO but will be switching to the unflavored.
    Thank you so much for sharing your story with us, it is greatly appreciated!!

  84. Dad trying not to freak out says:

    First of all, wow! What a great blog, and thank you for all your work.

    I admire your tenacity with protecting your daughter’s teeth. We find ourselves in a similar situation, with our daughter having broken her front teeth a few months ago. Our first dentist visit told us it was not severe, she was not in pain, and we were worrying too much. It took a couple months on a wait list to get in to a pediatric dentist, and when we did, we were told (today) that we must now extract her front four teeth (on top). This is of course horrifying to both Mommy and I, as they are talking about disfiguring the most beautiful thing in the world (to us). Now, she does have apparent tooth decay that has worsened colossally since our first dentist visit, and it appears her two front teeth are about half their previous size, and the dentist says they are broken into the pulp. The incisors have brown spotting that was diagnosed as cavities today. My two questions (and I know you’re not ‘legally permitted’ to answer, but still, maybe give it a whirl when you get a minute ;) ) are:

    A. Do you believe it possible to heal her teeth (especially the middle two that are broken into the pulp) to the point where she is pain-free and has re-grown some dentin and enamel?

    B. Do you know if, and to what extent, cow and other products such as: bone marrow, organs, dried meat etc. can be replaced by wild meat? It is difficult where we are in Canada to find proper, grass-fed cow products, but we do have access to an abundant supply of venison and elk. I have located a grass-fed goat milk supplier, whom I will be calling ASAP in the morning, assuming that goat milk would be comparable to cow.

    C. Our daughter is currently still breastfeeding, is this the right way to go in this regard? We believe, after reading your article that she may have a lip-tie, and will assess that as well as take her to a pediatrician tomorrow.

    Once again, thank you for providing this resource, and for your insight.

  85. Jenell says:

    Heather, forgive me if you already answered this in the comments and I overlooked it. My daughter recently went to the dentist and was told that she has several cavities. I read your article a long time ago and so asked the dentist if the enamel would “grow back”. She said dentin will grow back but not enamel; once it’s gone, it’s gone. What’s your take on this?

    • Joanne Simpson says:

      Hi Jenell, Ive just read your post and I recently went to the dentist to have some decay on my front teeth removed and had some white fillings put in but since having the decay removed my teeth have become very yellow and they feel quite rough when I run my tongue over the surface so I’m wondering whether the enamel has been taken away and that’s why my teeth are so yellow because all the stains are just clinging to them.Did you find out if Enamel does come back? Hope to heat from you soon, Jo xxx

  86. Rosie Ramos says:

    Hi Heather,
    A dentist has confirmed that my daughter, 18 months, has tooth decay on her four front teeth in addition to 2 cavities. He is suggesting surgery and crowns for all 4 teeth along with general anesthesia. I am terrified. I know she has a lip tie, my 6 year old has one as well. But we never had any problems nursing or latching on that didn’t initially last a few days when they were born. They were both thriving as infants. We are a whole food eating family. As much grass fed beef as possible. I’ve started making bone broth and we were already talking fclo. But I have my toddler on the fclo butter blend. We eat pasture raised butter, organic eggs and organic fruits and vegetables. I am terrified mommypotamus. I don’t know what else to do. I do not want to put her through surgery. The dentist suggested I stop nursing as well but I am not ready to wean and neither is she. I’m a stay at home mom and pretty much nurse when ever she wants including night time, we also co-sleep. Is there any advice you can offer? Is there anything else I can add to help the reversing process? How long did it take for you to see results with Katie? I know this is going to be a long rode but I don’t want to see it getting any worse.

    • Ivy says:

      A bonehead dentist suggested the same thing for my 2yo – general anesthesia surgery and crowns. I decided that level of intervention was unacceptable for baby teeth. I found a holistic dentist who manually scrapped off and gently filled the cavity with no anesthesia (just a nemo dvd) for 1/10th of the price. We followed the diet in cure tooth decay for about 2 years and the dentist agreed that the cavities had healed. zthe teeth are discolored, but the surface is strong not crumbly like in the past.

  87. Joanne Simpson says:

    Hi , I’m not sure if you can help but I’m hoping you might be able to give me some advice. My adult teeth were so weak that I now have to wear a Partial Upper denture. However my dentist left 3 of my teeth in including one of my front teeth as he felt they could be saved and needed a good clean to get rid of the decay. I was given some white fillings too but since my temporary denture has been fitted I’ve noticed my natural teeth he left in at the front seem to be getting yellow and its making me so unhappy because the denture doesn’t match my natural teeth color at all. Do you think that when he scraped the decay from my teeth he took away the Enamel so every stain is clinging to my teeth as they don’t feel smooth when I run my tongue over them they seem a little poreus.

  88. Joanne Simpson says:

    :-) Sorry I have my twin girls on my knee as I write this and one of the little Monkey’s pressed the send button before I had finished my post to you :-) Anyway….I live in the UK and I’m a full time Mum over here your not working you do get help with Dental Treatment but its very limited to what you can have done and the Dentures aren’t made to look very natural but I am lucky that t his is just my partial denture so I will be able to choose a color a lot closer to my natural teeth :-) in a few
    months time. Sadly my dentist isn’t the most sensitive and has a very dry sense of humour.When I went for my checkup after I had teeth extracted and my denture fitted I was so embarrassed when he took the denture out because I was salivating goodo lol :-) So I apologised and he replied in his, very strange manner….” What you going to do about it? Get over it” which I thought was a very strange reply. Because my natural teeth are so yellow and getting worse! I went online and purchased Dr George Dental White which I’ve heard nothing but good reviews about but its not making any difference to my teeth they are still Banana yellow and look like I never brush them and smoke 50 fags a day. I can’t afford fancy teeth whitening at a dentist its just out of my budget and being a Mum you’ll know and agree our Children come first :-)

  89. Joanne Simpson says:

    Sorry :-). :-) its happened again lol lol…..Right this time I’m gonna finish this damn email…..Is there anything you could suggest I try to get rid of these horrible yellow stains its making me very depressed I hardly go out apart from taking the girls to school and picking them up . My friends have been great but I can see them looking at my teeth when I talk so it just wants me want to run and hide. Hope to hear from you soon, Fantastic Blog I read it every time you upload and addicted to your YT. Big Hugs from the UK. Jo , India and Antonia xxxx

  90. maci says:

    i haven’t read through the previous comments, so sorry if I am repeating a question you have already answered. How much silica did you give your daughter or would you have given a 2 year old? Thanks. Maci

  91. Jammie says:

    I have a 13 month old with a similar issue, only the top two front teeth are about half dissolved. The dentist believes that my daughter somehow traumatized her gum area in the womb or during delivery and thus damaged the enamel on those two teeth as the other teeth are all healthy and strong. Even if there is no way her teeth can grow back, I still believe I will implement this to hopefully strengthen what tooth she has left. (the dentist does not yet have a plan as he wants to see how the teeth look in 3 months) I just want to clarify…. Are you saying you were able to restore the tooth and that the chipped off portion grew back?

  92. Ann Fitzgerald says:

    Wow thanks for all ur advice brilliant must look into this.my 4and half year has tooth decay on too four teeth ,has healthy diet so confused is she lacking in something or has too much of something I give her cod liver oil and vitamin d drops any advice if she should be getting more would be great thanks

  93. Hui Eskuchen says:

    Thank you for posting thia.
    My 19 months old daughter has really bad cavities on her left upper lateral incisor, and the two top front teeth and right upper lateral incisor have early cavities too. The pediatric dentist recommend extractions or putting the crowns on four of those teeth under general anesthesia. I’m not refusing crowns but she’s definitely too young for general anesthesia. I switched to another pediatric dentist who listens to me and willing to try to fill her cavities.
    After 1 week of trying, I’ve successfully night weaned my daughter from night time breastfeeding. She still wakes up in the middle of the night and wants to sleep with me but won’t ask for breastmilk any more. I keep brushing her teeth and using the spiffies wipes during the day, but her left upper lateral keeps chipping off. I would love to hear some experience shared from you.
    Thanks!

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